Joint Boards Articulation Commission
Student Transfer Committee

Meeting Summary Notes
April 14, 1999
OIT Metro
Portland, OR

Members Present

Dave Phillips, Clatsop Community College, Chair
Janine Allen, Portland State University (for Rod Diman)
Jim Arnold, OUS Academic Affairs
Mary Brau, Lane Community College
Mickie Bush, Concordia University
Jim Buch, University of Oregon
Linda Newell, Oregon Institute of Technology
Johnnie Stokes, Mt. Hood Community College
Glenda Tepper, Clackamas Community College
Elaine Yandle-Roth, Office of Community College Services
Dana Young, Blue Mountain Community College

Dave Phillips called the meeting to order at 10:05 a.m.

1. Announcements

Phillips distributed a copy of the letter sent out recently by Martha Anne Dow, chair of the Joint Boards Articulation Commission, regarding WR 115. This is the last step of the process in the examination of WR 115 issues, undertaken by the Student Transfer Committee (STC) last year. All community college and Oregon University System (OUS) campuses have been asked to review their WR 115 course and to report back to Dow by June 15. If their WR 115 course is "college level," they are to specify that in their report to Dow; if the course is NOT college level, the campus' plan for renumbering the course is requested.

Phillips reviewed the proposed agenda for the day, including discussions of organic chemistry, an associate of science transfer degree, and convening discipline-based faculty groups.

Jim Buch mentioned that issues exist surrounding the transfer and acceptance of lower-division English and reading courses (115, 116, 117). A brief discussion led to the question of the construct of general education curricula, what courses are allowed in the AA/OT, and what courses are allowable in "arts and letters."

2. Organic Chemistry

Arnold and Phillips distributed documents relevant to a discussion on the transfer of organic chemistry courses from community colleges to OUS institutions. These documents included: (1) a summary of OUS campus transfer policies, (2) a listing of organic chemistry courses offered by OUS and community college campuses, (3) a copy of the Oregon State University organic chemistry transfer policy (from the web), and (4) copies of email responses to Phillips' post to the CIA listserv regarding this topic.

Arnold reviewed the documents with the group and expressed the desire for a recommendation for a clear, consistent policy regarding organic chemistry-one that OUS could consider at the Academic Council level and then adopt system-wide. The range of policies in existence now are inconsistent and, from some reports, irregularly applied.

The chemistry faculty at Portland State University have just recently agreed upon a policy that is in line with Oregon State University's published policy.

At issue here is how the credits transfer and whether or not the receiving institution will allow upper-division credit to be granted. Students need upper-division credits both in the major and for graduation.

The question of the "uniqueness" of organic chemistry was posed: are there other examples of 200-level courses at community colleges that are offered at the 300-level at OUS campuses? Answer: none that we can think of.

Continuing discussion of the topic led to the following points:

The committee worked on language that could be proposed to the JBAC for standardizing the policy on organic chemistry credit transfer. The language agreed upon was:

Proposed Policy Regarding Transfer of Organic Chemistry:

The three-quarter sequence of 200-level organic chemistry at Oregon community colleges is equivalent to Chemistry 331 and 332 at Oregon University System (OUS) institutions. Students who complete these three 200-level classes, with a grade of C- or better, are eligible to transfer these courses from an Oregon community college to an OUS institution and receive lower-division credit. Transfer students will receive upper-division 300-level credit by (1) taking the American Chemical Society's Organic Chemistry Examination, (2) scoring at or above the 50th percentile, and (3) providing a copy of their official examination score to the receiving OUS institution.

This proposal will be presented to the JBAC on May 5th, by Dave Phillips, and if approved, be forwarded (1) to the Council of Instructional Administrators for consideration at their May 14, 1999, meeting; and (2) to Shirley Clark, OUS Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs, in order to be reviewed by the Academic Council.

3. Associate of Science Transfer Degree?

Arnold distributed two documents relevant to this discussion: (1) a comparison of OUS institutions' general education requirements, and (2) a summary of selected policies and practices in other states with respect to general education and associate of science transfer degree requirements.

Phillips invited the group to respond to the questions: is there a need for an associate of science transfer degree? What would an AS degree do that the current AA/OT will not do? What problems are there that would be "fixed" by an AS transfer degree?

Comments on the topic included:

Concluding remarks on the topic were:

4. Convening Faculty Groups

Phillips indicated that the JBAC has suggested convening various groups of OUS and community college faculty, in like disciplines, for the purpose of addressing issues related to educational outcomes.

As part of the HB 2913 work, faculty groups were convened, though difficulty was experienced in orchestrating such an effort with no funding source(s) available.

Should we work toward convening faculty groups? What would be their charge if we initiated such an effort?

Or is there generally more communication taking place between and among groups at the present time, making a special effort unnecessary?

Comments included:

Conclusions of the Student Transfer Committee:

5. Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 2:15 p.m. Arnold agreed to post minutes from this meeting on the web.

Prepared by Jim Arnold
OUS Academic Affairs
April 19, 1999