Joint Boards Articulation Commission

Meeting Summary Notes
May 17, 2000
Portland State University
Portland, Oregon


Members Present
Phil Creighton, Eastern Oregon University, Chair
Jim Arnold, Oregon University System
Roy Arnold, Oregon State University
Craig Bell, Portland Community College
Ron Dexter, Office of Professional Technical Education
Adrienne Hill, Southern Oregon University
Sheldon Nord, Oregon Institute of Technology
Dave Phillips, Clatsop Community College
Elaine Yandle-Roth, Community Colleges and Workforce Development

Guests Present

Andy Duncan, Southwestern Oregon University Center


Call to Order

The meeting was called to order by Phil Creighton and facilitated by Sheldon Nord.

1. Summary Notes for March 2000

The April 2000 summary was approved as submitted.

2. AA/OT Concerns

Andy Duncan, from the Southwestern Oregon University Center in Coos Bay, expressed concerns related to the AA/OT degree. He noted that, although the AA/OT serves students who don't know what their major or transfer institution will be -- or who are interested in liberal arts or social sciences -- he has had difficulty advising AA/OT students interested in the sciences, education and business. He was particularly concerned with Environmental Science, Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Education. He also noted that OUS institutions curriculum has evolved to requiring more science and courses in the major and fewer lower division general education courses.

Dave Phillips stressed the importance of advisors explaining what the AA/OT is and that students are considered upper-division for registration purposes only. Students who are interested in some majors should be advised to transfer after one year or in other cases to complete a different degree (e.g. Associate of Science). Adrienne Hill noted that the Fall 2000 OUS meeting with advisors should be shaped so that the information on the AA/OT less simplistic and more realistic and consistent. Jim Arnold and Hill will talk with Dave McDonald about the regional high school counselor's conferences. Jim Arnold and Elaine Yandle-Roth will put it on the possible session list for the OUS/Community College Conference.

Craig Bell noted that for many reasons the AS/OT discussions never go anywhere. AA/OT completers do better than early transfers so care should be taken to make sure counselors and advisors work carefully. Dual admission and advising may help student make early decisions.

Roy Arnold noted that what transfers doesn't always apply to completion of a specific major. Explaining that to legislators can be very problematic.

Clatsop Community College recently eliminated their sequence requirements and now finds advising students to mirror the OUS institution requirements much easier. Phillips noted that some faculty members had been concerned that enrollments would drop in later courses but have found the change has had little effect on enrollment patterns. He also noted that the AA/OT can be tailored to be heavy in the science areas when needed and that the groups that have looked at an AS/OT have all recommended either tailoring the AA/OT to individual student needs or to use the AS and individual articulation agreements.

Members agreed communications in any form need to be clear and focused. Ron Dexter cited the Sabin Skills Center articulation guide which had been developed for 120 different degree paths showing both high school and community college curriculum requirements. He noted that it was an excellent guidance tool but was difficult to keep updated. A policy option package to include school district membership in the Career Information System in the Oregon Department of Education budget is being considered in order to improve career guidance at the high school level.

Phillips volunteered to bring up these concerns about the transfer degree with the community college Council of Instructional Administrators (CIA) and Council of Student Services Administrators (CSSA).

Yandle-Roth agreed to mail Duncan's materials to those members who were not in attendance.

3. Update on the K-12 Certificates of Initial (CIM) and Advanced (CAM) Mastery

Efforts to develop signed statewide articulation agreements were noted by Ron Dexter. He noted that the change from individual high school to individual community college agreements is even more important in a distance learning environment.

Phillips warned of the need to carefully review the accreditation issues of statewide articulation agreements. Some things might need to be transcripted locally then transferred. Yandle-Roth noted that more statewide curriculum development is taking place which is then adopted at the local community college. Ron Dexter cited the development of K-14 Information Technology curriculum as an example.

Dexter explained the historical development of the Certificates of Initial (CIM) and Advanced Mastery (CAM). He stressed that while HB 3565 had focused on workforce, the America's Choice: High Skills, Low Wages report, and the SCANS Skills (Secretaries Commission on Achieving Necessary Skills), the subsequent SB 2991 focused on accountability and assessment. The State Board of Education is considering adjustments to these assessments and further definition of the CAM. Materials describing these adjustments were distributed and are available at the Oregon Department of Education web site at Ongoing systems improvement and acknowledgement of some unintended consequences were noted. One example was the downward movement of assessed subjects, decreasing the number of electives students could take. The exploration the electives provide is critical to a student's selection of a CAM area of study. The CAM clarifications will be taken to the field for comments over the summer and then to the State Board of Education in September. The changes are, in part, being made to help give schools the capacity to provide the CIM and CAM.

4. Early Collegiate Options

Jim Arnold is collecting updated enrollment information from Southern Oregon University, Oregon Institute of Technology, and Portland State University, the three OUS institutions that provide a College High program. Yandle-Roth distributed recently updated information from the community colleges noting that the 1999-2000 data would be needed in order to prepare for a possible report to the 2001 Legislative Assembly.

5. Credit for Prior Learning (CPL)

Discussions with the OUS Provosts and community college Council of Instructional Administrators have taken place and members will be reporting back at their upcoming meetings in May. The issue is acceptance of CPL as not all community college or OUS institutions will want to award credit.

6. Common Course Numbering

Common course numbering is part of the original legislative charge for the Joint Boards Articulation Commission. The possibility of hosting initial meetings and electronic conversations with selected discipline representatives was discussed briefly.

7. Conflicts Caused by Movement from 3 to 4 and 5 Credit Courses

Tracking down where and if problems are occurring is difficult because specific students are not identified. This item will be scheduled again next month.

8. Transfer Report

Jim Arnold presented a preliminary draft of a report he is writing using 4 years of transfer data. The report is not ready for distribution. Narrative and explanation will be added and additional questions may be added. Dave Phillips noted how helpful the information has been to Clatsop Community College.

9. Next Meeting

The next meeting will be held June 14, 2000 from 10 a.m.-12 noon at Chemeketa Community College.




Prepared by Elaine Yandle-Roth
Department of Community Colleges and Workforce Development